Guest Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Ish said: Lived in Oregon for four years now and have spent my entire lifetime learning useless trivia about geography, heraldry, and vexillology... So why am I only learning today that the State Flag of Oregon has two different sides? And why are they both hideous? None of the flags look very good. That's a flag thing. As for not noticing the two biggest sides of a 3d object, that's on you. Maybe you failed a perception check. Maybe your passive perception is lower than you thought. Dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 I do think the complexity of the Oregon Flag's Image and Colors shows the flag of a society that hasn't really ever been at war in an era where the flag was meaningful. It's a really hard to see flag in the dark and the image would hard to repair. And, as you say, the image would be hard to distinguish from a distance. For historical context, the flag for Oregon, despite the printed year on the flag, has only been around since 1925. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 Also, the imagery of a setting sun is a weird inclusion. I understand it's to symbolize the completion of the Louis and Clark expedition, but I feel like that's also established by the covered wagon and folks on a river bank. It seems to imply that Oregon was a finished product 215 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 As it happens, I fell down an internet rabbit hole on this subject. Found out that there was a bill introduced in the legislature in 2013 for a new state flag. I greatly prefer this design! Much more visually distinctive! Currently, twenty-one other states have a flag that consists of “blue field with thing on it,” nineteen of those are “blue field with state seal on it.” Only one state makes yellow a dominate color. This flag is also recognizable at a distance, no other state uses a bicolor design. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 If we're only supposed to pull cords from outlets by the plug, why do they make the plugs taper away from the socket, and use slipperier materials for them as well? Gimme something to hold onto here! Also, looking at state flags, fewer than half of them really seem distinctive. And for a significant number of those, it's just because they use different colours for the base field, which can only be extended so far. Collectively, they actually form a pretty good example of why the heraldic rules matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 Graphic of the flags of all fifty states... Flags of 53 European states... The European flags are all much more visually distinctive, even at this small size... I mean, can you tell the difference between Nebraska and New Hampshire? Yep. I'm a nerd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 Looking at them at thumbnail size was basically what I was doing to check recognizibility, too. With some wind moving the flag around, Alabama/Florida, Mississippi/Georgia, and North Carolina/Texas could all be tough as well. Plus, as you mentioned, all the ones that are just blue field with state seal. Slovakia/Slovenia are the only pair of European flags I can see that might be as easily confusible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Of course, Slovenia and Slovakia both only adopted these flags about 25 years ago (give or take). Before that they were both still part of Czechoslovakia and used that flag... Most of the Slavic nations all share the red, white, and blue colors and a similar design lineage. I don't object to so many of the state flags designs being similar just because they are similar, it's that they're similar and visually bland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I'd be interested to see the flags sorted by order of adoption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 State Flag Adoption Dates Hawaii: December 29, 1845North Carolina: March 2, 1885Alabama: February 16, 1895New Jersey: January 15, 1896Connecticut: September 9, 1897Rhode Island: November 1, 1897New York: April 1, 1901Ohio: May 9, 1902Maryland: November 25, 1904Tennessee: February 3, 1905Pennsylvania: April 24, 1907Maine: June 16, 1909California: February 3, 1911Michigan: June 26, 1911Colorado: December 4, 1911Delaware: July 24, 1913Missouri: September 4, 1913Arizona: January 25, 1917Indiana: May 31, 1917Wyoming: March 4, 1917Kentucky: March 26, 1918New Mexico: September 18, 1920Iowa: March 12, 1921Vermont: April 17, 1923Washington: August 25, 1923Arkansas: March 16, 1924Oregon: April 15, 1925Alaska: July 6, 1927West Virginia: November 6, 1929New Hampshire: November 30, 1931Texas: August 31, 1933North Dakota: November 9, 1943Virginia: February 1, 1950Idaho: November 2, 1957Kansas: September 22, 1961Nebraska: July 16, 1963Illinois: June 27, 1969Massachusetts: March 21, 1971Wisconsin: May 1, 1981Montana: December 17, 1981Minnesota: August 2, 1983Florida: May 21, 1985Nevada: July 25, 1991South Dakota: November 9, 1992Mississippi: February 7, 2001Georgia: February 19, 2003Oklahoma: November 1, 2006Louisiana: November 22, 2010Utah: February 16, 2011 C'mon, don't pretend you are surprised I would have a list of exactly that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarbicus Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Ish said: State Flag Adoption Dates Hawaii: December 29, 1845North Carolina: March 2, 1885Alabama: February 16, 1895New Jersey: January 15, 1896Connecticut: September 9, 1897Rhode Island: November 1, 1897New York: April 1, 1901Ohio: May 9, 1902Maryland: November 25, 1904Tennessee: February 3, 1905Pennsylvania: April 24, 1907Maine: June 16, 1909California: February 3, 1911Michigan: June 26, 1911Colorado: December 4, 1911Delaware: July 24, 1913Missouri: September 4, 1913Arizona: January 25, 1917Indiana: May 31, 1917Wyoming: March 4, 1917Kentucky: March 26, 1918New Mexico: September 18, 1920Iowa: March 12, 1921Vermont: April 17, 1923Washington: August 25, 1923Arkansas: March 16, 1924Oregon: April 15, 1925Alaska: July 6, 1927West Virginia: November 6, 1929New Hampshire: November 30, 1931Texas: August 31, 1933North Dakota: November 9, 1943Virginia: February 1, 1950Idaho: November 2, 1957Kansas: September 22, 1961Nebraska: July 16, 1963Illinois: June 27, 1969Massachusetts: March 21, 1971Wisconsin: May 1, 1981Montana: December 17, 1981Minnesota: August 2, 1983Florida: May 21, 1985Nevada: July 25, 1991South Dakota: November 9, 1992Mississippi: February 7, 2001Georgia: February 19, 2003Oklahoma: November 1, 2006Louisiana: November 22, 2010Utah: February 16, 2011 C'mon, don't pretend you are surprised I would have a list of exactly that. I think that I love you in a mostly platonic fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Ish said: State Flag Adoption Dates Hawaii: December 29, 1845North Carolina: March 2, 1885Alabama: February 16, 1895New Jersey: January 15, 1896Connecticut: September 9, 1897Rhode Island: November 1, 1897New York: April 1, 1901Ohio: May 9, 1902Maryland: November 25, 1904Tennessee: February 3, 1905Pennsylvania: April 24, 1907Maine: June 16, 1909California: February 3, 1911Michigan: June 26, 1911Colorado: December 4, 1911Delaware: July 24, 1913Missouri: September 4, 1913Arizona: January 25, 1917Indiana: May 31, 1917Wyoming: March 4, 1917Kentucky: March 26, 1918New Mexico: September 18, 1920Iowa: March 12, 1921Vermont: April 17, 1923Washington: August 25, 1923Arkansas: March 16, 1924Oregon: April 15, 1925Alaska: July 6, 1927West Virginia: November 6, 1929New Hampshire: November 30, 1931Texas: August 31, 1933North Dakota: November 9, 1943Virginia: February 1, 1950Idaho: November 2, 1957Kansas: September 22, 1961Nebraska: July 16, 1963Illinois: June 27, 1969Massachusetts: March 21, 1971Wisconsin: May 1, 1981Montana: December 17, 1981Minnesota: August 2, 1983Florida: May 21, 1985Nevada: July 25, 1991South Dakota: November 9, 1992Mississippi: February 7, 2001Georgia: February 19, 2003Oklahoma: November 1, 2006Louisiana: November 22, 2010Utah: February 16, 2011 C'mon, don't pretend you are surprised I would have a list of exactly that. I said see the flags sorted by, not a wall of text. Gah! -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I find the history of the flag of Hawaii fascinating. I also think the flag is a hideous riot of color, but the history is still an epic, A Game of Thrones style tale of political power plays, international intrigue, royal dynasties, and pineapple. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 19 hours ago, Ish said: Of course, Slovenia and Slovakia both only adopted these flags about 25 years ago (give or take). Before that they were both still part of Czechoslovakia and used that flag... Most of the Slavic nations all share the red, white, and blue colors and a similar design lineage. I don't object to so many of the state flags designs being similar just because they are similar, it's that they're similar and visually bland. Oh, yeah, I assumed there was some reason for most of the ones that are similar. Several of the state flags I mentioned, for instance, are clearly just simplifications of the US flag, so of course they're similar. Similar and boring is unquestionably worse, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Learned that there's actually a TV show called 30 rock. Had heard it referenced, but thought they were referencing 3rd Rock [from the sun]. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Munkie Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 9:46 PM, Ish said: State Flag Adoption Dates Hawaii: December 29, 1845North Carolina: March 2, 1885Alabama: February 16, 1895New Jersey: January 15, 1896Connecticut: September 9, 1897Rhode Island: November 1, 1897New York: April 1, 1901Ohio: May 9, 1902Maryland: November 25, 1904Tennessee: February 3, 1905Pennsylvania: April 24, 1907Maine: June 16, 1909California: February 3, 1911Michigan: June 26, 1911Colorado: December 4, 1911Delaware: July 24, 1913Missouri: September 4, 1913Arizona: January 25, 1917Indiana: May 31, 1917Wyoming: March 4, 1917Kentucky: March 26, 1918New Mexico: September 18, 1920Iowa: March 12, 1921Vermont: April 17, 1923Washington: August 25, 1923Arkansas: March 16, 1924Oregon: April 15, 1925Alaska: July 6, 1927West Virginia: November 6, 1929New Hampshire: November 30, 1931Texas: August 31, 1933North Dakota: November 9, 1943Virginia: February 1, 1950Idaho: November 2, 1957Kansas: September 22, 1961Nebraska: July 16, 1963Illinois: June 27, 1969Massachusetts: March 21, 1971Wisconsin: May 1, 1981Montana: December 17, 1981Minnesota: August 2, 1983Florida: May 21, 1985Nevada: July 25, 1991South Dakota: November 9, 1992Mississippi: February 7, 2001Georgia: February 19, 2003Oklahoma: November 1, 2006Louisiana: November 22, 2010Utah: February 16, 2011 C'mon, don't pretend you are surprised I would have a list of exactly that. I thought it's crazy that Mississippi decided to incorporate a blatant anti-United States symbol this century. But then I dug a little deeper and it was only readopted in 2001. The original design was adopted in 1894 but repealed in 1906. They technically had no state flag for 95 years and failed to agree on a design in 2001 so they just settled on the old anti-U.S. (but pro 13 colonies??), very confused design they had in 1894. So if that struck anyone else as wildly out of touch, that's the story behind it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 I like the flag that was proposed in 2001, although if I had my druthers the top stripe would be red and the canton wouldn’t have any fimbriation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 2:49 PM, WestRider said: If Transubstantiation is real, and Communion is cannibalism, should Catholics then sing Soylent Night? The line about "Holy infant, so tender and mild" still works, tho. Just changes the meaning a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfestedKerrigan Posted December 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 3:47 PM, Ish said: Graphic of the flags of all fifty states... Flags of 53 European states... The European flags are all much more visually distinctive, even at this small size... I mean, can you tell the difference between Nebraska and New Hampshire? Mississippi and Hawaii are virtually indistinguishable as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ish Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 Hawaii’s flag is pretty much that of a British Commonwealth nation, which was actually intentional on the part of King Kamehameha I when he had it designed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkie Posted December 27, 2019 Report Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/25/2019 at 3:24 PM, WestRider said: The line about "Holy infant, so tender and mild" still works, tho. Just changes the meaning a little. My favorite Christmas song lyric is "A child, a child, shivers in the cold Let us give him silver and gold". How about, instead of "making it rain" in the stable, you use those precious metals to buy a [big bad swear word]ing blanket? Do you know any parents on the planet who tuck their kids in with gold bullion? How wise are these douchebags kings men?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romans832 Posted December 27, 2019 Report Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 3:13 PM, Raindog said: Used to do that ALL the time with the huge snow storms back in UT... only had the pleasure once or twice in WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRider Posted December 27, 2019 Report Share Posted December 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Munkie said: My favorite Christmas song lyric is "A child, a child, shivers in the cold Let us give him silver and gold". How about, instead of "making it rain" in the stable, you use those precious metals to buy a [big bad swear word]ing blanket? Do you know any parents on the planet who tuck their kids in with gold bullion? How wise are these douchebags kings men?! Yeah, that one has always bugged me, too. Some firewood, maybe? Some food for the parents so they can take better care of the kid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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